Gleb Davydov. One and the same seething moment

In parts, we have already talked about many representatives of the Minsk secular party, in the third - we replenish the list with new faces. Go!

Maria Razumova

Masha is a former soloist of the recently broken trio "Inzhir", known for her performances in the Ukrainian show "X-factor" and at the "New Wave 2015" contest. Now the girl is engaged in a solo career, teaches vocals and tries herself as a plus size model. Masha and I were inspired by her positive vision of the world, self-acceptance and possible negativity from others!

Anton Martynenko

A well-known Minsk presenter, who can often be found at various events: parties, presentations, corporate parties, coach seminars and trainings, private holidays. In addition, Anton is the host of programs on STV, Bel-MuzTV and on the air of Unistar radio. Martynenko skillfully combines his hectic activity with family life and manages to devote time not only to his wife, but also to his recently born child.

Gleb Davydov with his wife Polina Piletskaya

Gleb is one of the top Minsk presenters, behind whom there are many events of various formats. It can also be seen on the STV and First National TV channels or heard on the radio "B-Hey" and "Russian".

Polina is not only the wife of Gleb and the mother of a 3-year-old daughter, but also the founder and head of the Perfect holiday agency. The girl began her career in 2007 and over the years she has become a real expert in her field. And, yes, it was she who initiated the project.

Nikolay Serov

Promoter and manager of the once scandalous Blondes & Brunettes club in the past and co-owner of the Boulevard agency and the first vegetarian cafe in Minsk "in the present. He calls himself an ecologist, a pacifist, an atheist and a vegan. Hasn't eaten meat for over five years, and doesn't wear leather or fur. In the photographs, he is always surrounded by different beauties, but lately he has been increasingly appearing in the company of one - maybe you have decided?

Dmitry Wrangel

A bright and talented presenter and showman with many years of experience, winner of the Grand Prix of the 2012 Televershina professional competition. Dmitry has a huge number of events of varying complexity, several television projects and film roles. At the moment he is leading the author's travel program "The Adventures of Captain Wrangel" on ONT.

Vlada

Vlada is one of the most popular representatives of the modern Belarusian stage, the owner of a holiday agency and a part-time wife and mother. The girl entered the professional stage at the age of 6 and immediately became the winner in the nomination "Hope of Telebom". To date, her creative baggage includes 3 solo albums, 11 video clips, performances at prestigious festivals and television projects, as well as participation in international competitions.

Vadim Galygin

A well-known colloquial artist, comedian, producer and TV presenter far beyond the borders of our country. Now, together with his wife (former Belarusian singer and model Olga Vainilovich), he lives in Moscow, where he performs in the Comedy Club program on TNT, but periodically comes to Minsk - so you can also meet him at secular parties in the Belarusian capital.

Vitaly Vodnev

Another well-known Minsk presenter, who, oddly enough, got into the profession quite by accident. While studying at a medical institute, Vitaly had a chance to participate in the drawing of several prizes in an amateur art competition. However, by coincidence, the theater, which was supposed to perform next, was late, and the newly-made presenter had to "buy" time so that the concert did not fail. During the improvisation, the guy managed to pull even the rector of the institute onto the stage, who danced squatting in front of a thousandth audience of students and teachers. So Vitaly was noticed, they offered to hold a party, after which other events followed.

Alesya Kokoshnikova

Alesya is a bright red-haired business woman, the author and head of the prazdnik.by project and the organizer of large-scale city events, including, for example, the “Bride Parade” and “Puz Parade” for pregnant women. In 2014, she won the title of Mrs. Charity at the Mrs. Europe competition, and before that, she amazed the public by losing 22 kilograms in just 4 months - all thanks to proper nutrition and training.

One of the few beauties of the Belarusian beau monde who remained bachelors. An athlete, an adherent of a healthy lifestyle and proper nutrition, and, as he calls himself, "the sexiest man in the Republic of Belarus." Since childhood, he dreamed of becoming a tanker, but connected his life with music and television. Now she sings, participates in various TV projects (including Russian ones), hosts various events and the Our Morning program on ONT.

(* In the first photo, together with Herman, Alexander Kirinyuk, whom we talked about in.)

Dmitry and Vladimir Karyakin (Litesound band)

Brothers Dmitry and Vladimir Karyakin, who formed their own rock band in 2005 in Minsk. At the same time, their musical career began back in 2002 in China, where the guys created an acoustic duet, performed in local clubs and tried their hand at various competitions and festivals. They gained the greatest popularity in 2012: the group participated in the national selections for Eurovision 5 times and nevertheless went to represent the country in the international arena. At the contest itself, the guys did not reach the final, but in 2013 they received the prestigious Eurostar Award, gaining more than 14 thousand votes and thus ahead of the Eurovision winner Loreen - this was the first time in the history of the award when an artist so low rated in main competition.

Larisa Gribaleva

Larisa Gribaleva, we are sure, needs no introduction. But just in case, we recall that this is a well-known Belarusian singer, actress and TV presenter (programs “Everything is fine, mom!”, “Morning mail”, “In bed with Larisa Gribaleva” and others), the owner of the Holiday Bureau agency and an honored artist Belarus since 2016. And also a wife and mother of three children - the last daughter, by the way, Larisa gave birth on February 29, 2016 at the age of 42. Until now, the artist actively sings and performs on stage, and also periodically attends various social events.

A popular Belarusian presenter who, over 10 years of his activity, has shown that he can handle holidays of any scale - from a company of 10 people to huge halls with 30 thousand spectators. In addition, Oleg's professional baggage also includes a higher musical education, thanks to which the presenter offers customers something that sets him apart from other colleagues in the shop - the unique BeatBox Show.

We also like Oleg, and therefore he often becomes the host of our corporate events. Of the latter, for example, on the occasion of February 23.

Olga Barabanshchikova

A well-known tennis player, singer, TV presenter, DJ and founder of the Candy Lady clothing brand rolled into one. At the age of 17, Olga became the Wimbledon junior doubles champion, later the American Tennis magazine called her the sexiest tennis player in the world, and Playboy made an offer to appear on the cover. In 2004, due to an injury, the girl was forced to leave her sports career, but did not give up and began to do what she always liked - fashion and music. And she did well at it!

From left to right: Pavel Taraimovich, Andrey Zayats and Kirill Klishevich (three of the four members of the Pull-Tolkay group)

A well-known Belarusian group, the composition of which has remained unchanged since 2000, which cannot be said about the nature of their music. Initially, the guys played live instruments, performing humorous pop rock, for which they were compared with Lapis and Leprikons. Then the group took a step towards "Disco Crash", and later put on "life" ballads with the influence of Soviet VIA and became comparable to "Lube". Be that as it may, "Pull-Tolkai" has been performing songs of their own authorship for more than 15 years and to this day remain quite popular Belarusian artists.

A blue-eyed romantic, lead singer of the Aloe Color group, producer, composer, poet and host of various events, as well as a happy husband (in his second marriage) and a young father. Now Sergey is actively working, but, as the artist admitted in one of his interviews, the family comes first for him. In the future, he dreams of opening a small restaurant where jazz will be played and friends will gather to enjoy life together. Sergey also wants to travel more and have at least three children.

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On Saturday, September 15, he said goodbye to his single life. I said goodbye incredibly beautifully - it is customary to show such weddings in Hollywood melodramas: a chic country club, a seashore (in our case, the Minsk Sea), a picturesque arch of flowers, a path to it from rose petals, a sculptural composition of huge letters LOVE on the side, guests in luxurious dresses on white chairs in anticipation of a solemn ceremony, four bridesmaids in bright scarlet dresses, the father of the bride leads his daughter to an impromptu altar, the groom does not take his happy eyes off his future wife ...

The chosen one of Gleb Davydov was the charming wedding planner Polina. She opened her own holiday agency while still a student at BSU.

We met Polina three years ago, - said the TV presenter. - She came to offer me to hold one event. Then I noted that she was a very beautiful girl, but I didn’t even try to make any curtsies in her direction. Then we met at work a few more times. And in one of these meetings, I suddenly thought: I want this amazing girl to be with me always!

After a year of passionate meetings, Davydov offered Polina a hand and a heart.

Among the guests were singer Aleksey Khlestov and TV presenter Svetlana Borovskaya, Davydov's partner on the morning air on Belarus 1. Actress Vera Polyakova, with whom Gleb once started his TV career as a presenter - they hosted a morning show on STV for a couple - took on the role of host of the solemn marriage ceremony and announced Gleb and Polina as husband and wife.

Five years ago, Gleb was the host at my wedding, after that I was not at any wedding, - Vera admitted. But I couldn't miss this one. In addition, I promised Gleb that I would be the host at his wedding. Here, she kept her promise.

Svetlana Borovskaya, in a long black dress - the most favorable background for her diamonds, and a luxurious fur vest, justified herself with a smile:

Yes, I wear black to the wedding, but I'm the bridesmaid, so the black color is justified!

Every minute of the wedding was thought out to the smallest detail - it is not in vain that the bride is a professional organizer of the holidays, and the groom is a professional leader of these celebrations. The most unusual number of the wedding program was the performance of the artists of the Opera and Ballet Theatre. The number of cries of "Bitter!" there was no number. The apotheosis of the holiday was a grandiose fireworks display, which formed the names of the newlyweds in the sky. On their honeymoon they will go to Barcelona, ​​from there - on a sea cruise along mediterranean.

Not so long ago, one girl from my Vkontakte feed began to regularly give links to the satsangs of a man named Samir (pictured a little higher) and enthusiastically write about him as a new “real Master”. I didn't pay much attention to it. Think another master. Now they are the sea, even in Russia. The topic of enlightenment and satsangs has become so fashionable and topical that very many conceptual indicators of Mooji and Ramana Maharshi, who have learned at the intellectual level, decide to be masters and begin to broadcast to gullible seekers of Truth. And a good seeker is also a seeker, to trust and see the possibility of realizing the Truth in everything that moves and does not move. And this is an absolutely correct and fruitful approach. For seekers.

But when the videos of Samir's satsangs began to appear in the feed in every third message, I still clicked on play and saw this simple guy, without any ambition, very easily introducing the audience into a state of presence with incredibly simple, almost naive pointers. It was obvious that his pointers arise spontaneously, from reality, and not from the head. He did not invent them, did not read or overhear them, they fly out of him “online”.

Samir turned out to be a young guy of 32 years old, at first glance, nothing remarkable, a completely ordinary appearance - jacket, shirt, bangs. There are millions of them in Moscow. He behaves rather impetuously, I would even say restlessly. Speaks simply, quickly, without deliberate pauses and generally without trying to impress or show anything. Even, I would say, "in a popular way".

Samir played the guitar, practiced martial arts, and practiced Buddhist meditation. He didn't have any guru. But at some point, what is called “liberation” happened (he told a little about how and why it happened in an interview that you will read below).

Moscow, Bratislavskaya. We sit down in the first cafe that caught our eye (it turns out to be a rather noisy beer hall). Samir orders cutlets, mashed potatoes and tea. I turn on the recorder.

Gleb Davydov: As far as I understand, you started giving satsangs quite recently?

Samir: About three months ago. Since last year. I can't say for sure, I don't remember the date.

G.D.: How do satsangs go?

Samir: Usually I come and, in order not to completely confuse, I briefly give the direction of the mind to understanding, to myself. And from there, people start asking questions. Otherwise, they begin to ask about how they should be in life, what they should do. And this is no longer the same, it is already just a departure from oneself, a desire to be something, to be saved from something.

G.D.: So you point out to people that they are not something. To nothing...

Sameer: Yes, in principle, you can’t point to anything, so I point with the help of something. Most often (and as I see it, this is the most correct way), I propose to simply remain happening, which happens in its whole form and includes both the one who is felt as “I”, and the happening itself, and the already prepared attitude to what is happening. Ready-made attitude: what you are interested in, what you want - everything is ready.

G.D.: Do you feel that some kind of flow goes through you when you talk about it, right?

Sameer: Yes, it is very strange, yes, because I myself will never even tell this to myself. If this issue does not exist. And there is an immediate answer. That is, just as a sound in the Consciousness appears immediately in the form of a question, so do thoughts appear in the form of answers in the Consciousness. And as if it plays with itself in this way.

G.D.: But you didn't always have this flow? Before, when you communicated with people, was it not like this?

Sameer: Of course not.

G.D.: At what point did it open up?

Sameer: Well, somehow I got ... myself, or rather, drove myself, one might say ... without understanding this, I drove myself into a hopeless situation. There was no way out. And it was impossible to run, as I would have set up, roughly speaking, my family. And decided to stay just with what's going on. And then I saw that even the one who remains was forced to go this way somehow. There was already a ready-made "I" with a ready interest "how to go." "I", which these interests and desires led, building a whole chain of events, which I called "mine", "myself". And all this just happens - it takes and becomes everything: both what is happening, and a ready-made attitude, and where this attitude leads. And then I saw that in principle there is no one to keep here. Someone to keep in any situation.

G.D.: Someone to keep?

Sameer: ​​Nobody. Now there is a question, there is an answer, but it is not necessary to keep it, because this is already happening. In its already finished form, single. There is a situation and there is seething in this situation.

G.D.: Have you ever listened to any spiritual teachers? Like Mooji or Eckhart Tolle?

Sameer: Now I often listen, because they just ask me. “Read the book”, “give your opinion”. And before that, I went in a slightly different way. Didn't listen to anyone. It was practice with oneself.

G.D.: Yes, I heard Buddhist practices...

Sameer: Yes, Buddhist, shamanic ones, which are worse. My mind wished it was tougher. Well, I interrogated. (Laughs.)

G.D.: Did you feel it like you disappeared completely?

Sameer: Like liberation from the self. As if it had always been like that. And so it was. There was just a belief in “oneself”, which itself is created by these frameworks about “oneself”. About some kind of “me”, which should do something with what is happening.

G.D.: Do you feel like you're transparent? Empty? With what it can be compared - your current self-awareness? How do you feel"?

Sameer: If I try to describe in words what is our original nature, it is, of course, the very possibility of this moment being. Right now. And everything that is included in it. With sensations, conversations, perception of some scenery - the very possibility of being this, initially. The source of all this. And the way I feel - the sensations themselves - is always the mind, it is always the way he offers to feel it. And the way he proposes to describe it. And it's always a lie.

G.D.: Always a lie.

Sameer: ​​Well, that's a lie. It is, of course, true - within the framework of what we have decided to call "truth". No more than that. We came up with “truth” and put some kind of framework for “truth”. And the rest - concluded in the framework of "untruth". And all this happens in the same happening.

G.D.: Do you have any stressful situations?

Samir: They happen.

G.D.: What is happening at this moment? Does not perception return through a sense of "personal"?

Sameer: No, it comes back as a reaction of the mind to something. Just a reaction of the mind in Consciousness. I don't consider myself anymore.

G.D.: You do not consider her to be yourself, but do you have the ability to identify with her? Or not? (pause) Well, let's say I also see such reactions of the mind and do not consider them to be myself, but sometimes it happens that identification occurs.

Sameer: Once upon a time there were seizures. But for a very short amount of time. Because it itself rolled back: “Oh! Reaction!" And now, maybe they are, but I do not know about them. And I don't need to know. Because I'm always just this, what's happening now. And now I can dream. But it remains only now. What is going on. And you too. (Laughs) We have no other option than to be this happening.

G.D.: But people always imagine themselves to be someone, something...

Sameer: Someone they got to understand themselves. The ability of the mind to create understanding about itself. Here in the single Consciousness is the ability of the mind to create “itself” and “the rest”. So one whole begins to break. On "I" and "not me", on "I" and "my world" and already ready attitude to this world.

G.D.: So you've lost that ability?

Sameer: No, it sounds. It sounds now. But this is just a process of the mind. This is all our expression. Right now, this moment, if you try to talk about it with your mind, then this is just your expression. He was always like this. He was never in the form of a separate "you" who came to "some kind of world." He was immediately ready in this form. In the form of "you", what is felt as a phenomenon of "I", and what is felt as "my world" and "my relation to this world". With your interests, with your body, with your aspirations - everything is served on a silver platter. He simply represents himself with the help of these qualities. Being your total manifestation, the whole moment is viewed from one point. From the point of this buzzing mind called "I".

G.D.: As a rule, most people after the end of Satsang fall out of this energy field of Satsang. And it seems that during satsang, being with you, they feel liberated, but then - bang! - and they all disappear. You have probably heard such questions are often asked at satsangs.

Sameer: All the time.

G.D.: As I understand it, you do not give your listeners any kind of pointers that could help them to independently disidentify again.

Sameer: The only thing I say is: at such moments, when you suddenly realize that “for a whole hour I was unconscious” - do not waste your attention on these thoughts, on the past, you are already - here it is. It is only by your regret that you were unconscious that you maintain some kind of "I" that simply cannot be this moment in its entirety. If you can call it practice, that's the only thing I give. Because This is not “understanding”, This is something that should be ignited from the inside with the help of all sorts of such actions. And burn even this “way of understanding”, leaving only the current moment.

Pause.

Everything that happens is your expression. An expression that flows all the time. And you can't be any of that all the time. You cannot be anything that flows in this Consciousness, in what is happening. And then, sooner or later, Knowledge itself opens up, the very potential for this to happen. This is where the "Search Your Source" sign points. These pointers always point to the same thing. Only in one case it opens itself, and in the other you go there with the help of the direction of the mind. In the case of pointing out what is happening, you leave him no choice not to open up.

The waitress comes up and asks Sameer what he would like to drink.

G.D.: What we were talking about?

Samir: About silence. We talked about the Silence in which all this happens without touching the Silence itself.

G.D.: I don't remember this...

Sameer: Well, because we talked about it in other words. (We laugh.)

G.D.: OK, that is ultimately only Silence. Only she is. Everything else is made up...

Sameer: Just not the kind of silence that is "the silence of the mind." And that Silence that didn't even come. And that's why he can't leave.

G.D.: That Silence that does not come and does not go. And within which everything happens. Can you say "inside"?

Sameer: Yes. As if this Silence begins to make noise. And this is what is happening, she makes noise.

G.D.: And everything that happens is an expression of Silence.

Sameer: Yes. Yes, you can say that. You can say "your expression" ... These words are not important at all! In general, there is no value in these words, if something inside is not ignited at the same time. This is it, this is the only thing that matters. And that fire must lead from within. But all these words, all concepts, rules, practices are nonsense. When you discover your original nature, this very potential, all these practices… I always say that going outside to sweep or sitting to meditate is one and the same. For our original nature, it does not matter in what form it is expressed. It will always be expressed correctly, ideally, as it is being expressed now.

Silence. You can hear the voices of people talking at neighboring tables, as well as the screams and applause of football fans coming from the TV set in the cafe.

Some put importance on someone who ... on me, for example. But I'm not important. I'm just an expression of your consciousness. All sound and everything else is how Consciousness manifests - and I am no more important than that wall over there. I can only point out. But in fact, it's all the same - the seething of Consciousness in this moment. That is, it is always inside. The person is always the most important. Not man, but his Nature, Source. And always it is with me, and with you. (Laughs.) If we talk about it with the mind.

G.D.: Can i…

Sameer: There is no other way, yes. (Laughs.) Therefore, no "understanding" is important. They will always be lies.

G.D.: That is, even if you bring an absolute blizzard and talk about things that are not connected either with Consciousness, or with enlightenment, or, for example, Truth ... But simply, you say, well, at least about this glass of tea, it’s still the Emptiness that you feel yourself to be , will be broadcast in your words?

Sameer: It is already happening in the form of these words. But just words can turn the mind back on itself so that it sees that it is only the mind - the automatic processes that we perceive ourselves to be. And other words will just talk - and nothing more.

G.D.: I mean, words do matter.

Sameer: For the seeker, words matter, of course.

G.D.: For those who perceive them with the mind. As a pointer to this mind.

Sameer: Yes. We need words that will help get rid of the importance of words, of the importance of "understandings".

G.D.: Doesn't it happen to you that the mind interferes with you? For him to intervene and try to channel these words somehow?

Sameer: The fact is that only the mind says it.

G.D.: Mind speaks?

Sameer: Certainly. He tries to describe what, in principle, he will never be able to describe. Because any word is some idea or object. And it's just neither one nor the other.

G.D.: And how did your mind become such that it doesn’t say any nonsense at all, but nevertheless speaks clearly to the point, gives some kind of “pointers”?

Sameer: And I don't know how. I am often asked. I don’t know, this is how it is, I didn’t choose it.

G.D.: But he wasn't always like that?

Sameer: No, it's different all the time.

G.D.: Is it different all the time?

Sameer: Certainly. And you do not choose its development.

G.D.: Well, it depends on your current conditioning...

Sameer: Ah, well, I have the usual family conditioning. Children are now born, wife, dog. Three cats, two turtles. (Laughs.) But this is already a whole life ready. And now it exists only in the form of thoughts that bring you into the past or the future, or into some kind of “my house”. Now my home is here. Well, in what's happening. Not exactly here, in the cafe, but in what is happening. No matter where it happens, it will always be happening, expressed in some way.

G.D.: Do you remember the moment, some specific clear, moment at which it became so? Opened…

Sameer: Yes Yes Yes. When I lost hope that I would live on. When I no longer had the need to keep someone in some form and save him from something. That is, before that you had a certain idea about yourself and an idea of ​​how you should live, what you should come to. Now there is no. Now always let it be what will be.

G.D.: Tell me, if possible, specifically, what kind of situation was it?

Sameer: Well, I'm not telling yet.

G.D.: Not?

Sameer: For some reason, I still think so. Why, I don't know. (Laughs.)

G.D.: But can you change your mind in the next second?

Sameer: Yes I can.

G.D.: Change your mind...

Sameer: Does not work. See, I don't choose. (We laugh.) Everything that is, is already ready.

Samir is brought his order.

G.D.: Bon appetit.

Sameer: Thank you.

I try to let Samir eat without talking, but he suggests we continue the interview. He is interested in which of the famous masters I interviewed. I'm telling. Samir asks about Mooji, how he behaves, where he lives. When I announce that Mooji lives in Portugal, Samir is even more interested.

G.D.: He bought land in Portugal a few years ago. And he set up something like a ranch there, where he lives with his students.

Sameer: O! By the way, I also got the same idea for some reason. Only I would like to do it in the Krasnodar Territory.

G.D.: Good places, yes.

Sameer: Although I didn’t know that someone had such a thing… I would like to make a house there, a garden, and that everything would grow in this garden. And so that those who come to live with me or for a while can work with me in the garden. And so that we can be together all the time ...

G.D.: Well, yes, Mooji has something like that.

Sameer: In general, if I have any plans, then this is such a plan. Maybe in old age, maybe something else. I know that, most likely, it will not be so, but it will be as it will be. But I don't interfere with plans. The mind no longer interferes with its work. This is just the work of the mind, which is not important.

G.D.: Can you bring a person to a point where he will be truly liberated? Not that he gets a taste of it during satsang, goes away and the taste disappears.

Sameer: Well, judging by the fact that several people said that this one is constantly with them now, then, apparently, I can. I don't know how, but somehow it happens. There is a question - and immediately there is an answer.

G.D.: Is that what they asked you to do?

Sameer: Perhaps they were looking for something else for themselves, but with questions and answers we always approached this. Of course, the mind first presents it as something of its own. Like some esoteric experience or something. He can never think that this is just freedom from all his aspirations and experiences.

G.D.: That is, you can not one hundred percent confirm the authenticity of the experience? Can you assume that they are telling the truth and not fantasizing?

Sameer: In a conversation, when I look into a person's eyes, I feel whether he touched it, whether he touched it or not. No more. At the same time, I know that it will be the way it will be. Anyway. The same thing is played somewhere else by someone who strives for something, but somewhere not. I feel that he touched, but it will continue with him as it will be, and there are no other options.

G.D.: But you don't have such a kind of burning someone to release? Or is there?

Sameer: Like saving sentient beings?

G.D.: Well something like that. Help. Help someone who is suffering...

Sameer: There is. And it burns very strongly. Certainly. This is the only thing… The fact is that it becomes the most beautiful thing for the mind in and of itself, and all meanings are lost, only one living meaning remains, such a constantly experienced living meaning. And, of course, I know that it is in everyone. And when there is a question, immediately there is an answer. Could this be desire? Yes. I have a constant desire to talk about it and point it out in other people.

G.D.: Have you ever come across such situations when people react with hostility to an attempt to realize this desire?

Sameer: Constantly. Not in satsang. Although even at satsangs it happens sometimes with hostility they perceive exactly one particular way. One they like, and the other is not the same. And this is how it is in life, of course: the mind never likes when it is pointed out to its insignificance. (Laughs.) He will always defend himself.

G.D.: Do you feel a certain maturation of yourself as a Master?

Sameer: No. In principle, I ask myself not to call myself a master. Because... well, because it's bullshit. It means to be someone else. I'm just pointing out what's in everyone. And that's all. And how, how, with what status - it makes no difference to me. This does not change what is happening. I always trust him, every minute. It always happens perfectly. I don't know... What difference does it make what status you see it with?

G.D.: I'll ask you again: do you ever get identified with some kind of ego, with some ego structure that suddenly appears?

Sameer: I always see the ego. Now that's what it says.

G.D.: But you don't identify with him, do you?

Sameer: I have no opportunity, it always sounds in Consciousness. I am what is happening. As are you. You mean, does it remain the only one, this feeling of "me"?

G.D.: So you see yourself as separate from the ego? Do you see how it manifests itself?

Sameer: No, not separate. Ego is another quality of manifestation. It is there, it is not separated. All these qualities are simple - sensation, experience, perception, they are always on the same level.

G.D.: But it's not you.

Sameer: None of this is you. Actually, neither this nor that.

G.D.: But is there sometimes a sense of identification with any of these?

Sameer: Feeling like it's "you"? (Laughs.)

G.D.: Yes. As it was before. Have you identified before...

Sameer: Yes. Why was it before? Because it was important to be someone. Hope for the next minute was important. Now there is no hope for the next minute, now there is only absolute happening, and everything, together with the mind, together with the feeling of "I". The feeling of "I" is another quality of what is happening, it is a phenomenon, it is simply no longer I. It remains as a mental process. Free-flowing, constantly floating. In different forms all the time, in different understandings of oneself. In different experiences, in different ideas of “what should I say now”. (Laughs.) Whole consciousness! Already ready.

G.D.: Little "I"?

Sameer: Yes. Sounding. This is why it is seen initially, because it is like noise. That is, silence, it is not audible, and the noise is, of course, bright. But sooner or later Silence opens.

G.D.: And you never consider this “I” to be yourself?

Sameer: No never.

G.D.: And there is no resentment or inconvenience from the fact that, for example, you said something to someone, and this person took it with hostility and told you: “well, you are so and so what you say!”.

Sameer: No, look. First of all, I see in myself that I have no choice to speak differently, understand differently and do as I "see fit". There is no way to choose the right situation for yourself. 'Cause there's only one thing I'll do now Let's eat this cutlet, let's say. And I see it the same way in others. That is, I can not be offended by him. Because he has no choice. He didn't have a choice to think differently now. And his thoughts are not his. The thoughts he thinks are his are not his. Therefore, how can I be offended by him, if he is the very manifestation of being? All this is the very manifestation of my Consciousness… In the form of forms, in the form of those who talk to me in one way or another.

G.D.: But when we interact with you at the level of the mind...

Sameer: More precisely, he himself interacts. I don't have to do anything at all in order for me to have an answer now. He takes and appears. For a while we think we're doing it. No. It's all by itself. Together with situations, with what is happening and with everything else. Such is the expression, with all these qualities.

G.D.: Is there only one mind? Or ... a lot of minds? Are individual minds part of a unified mind?

Sameer: Of course, if you talk about it using logic and everything else, then you have someone's mind that you pieced together ... which pieced itself together from the rest of the minds.

G.D.: And this mind calls itself "individual mind"?

Sameer: Yes, he considers himself something existing.

G.D.: But in fact, it is just an accumulation of some kind of clumps of knowledge of some kind, information?

Sameer: Yes, it's just a stream of thoughts that spins in a certain way. Something happens - and it spins differently, something else happens - and it spins differently. And from this, as it seems, everything is different. And spinning like this, he calls himself “this is me”, “this is how I behave”, “I need this”. So substituting.

Pause.

G.D.: I'll tell you what's happening now. It’s quite difficult for me to interview because I…

Sameer: Nothing to talk about?

G.D.: Yes, I'd love to shut up... (We laugh.)

Sameer: Well, you speak directly from silence, without being affected by this conversation.

G.D.: Yeah, try to show me how can I do it?

Sameer: Well, you are already doing it. You are silent and believe that this mind is you.

G.D.: Yes, of course, I see that the "I" who now calls himself himself is not really me. And the I who sees this, he is silent. And he doesn't know how to talk.

Sameer: Yes. Does not know. Because even the very ability to talk is a quality of the mind. The very possibility of using the moment that is happening somehow for a conversation, as if there is any sense in it.

Pause.

There is no point in holding yourself to something definite, in some kind of rule. And when you don't hold yourself back, there is no "you", there is just what is happening right now. And there is something that is always the same, like a possibility.

G.D.: Who is holding back?

Sameer: For example, if we talk about self-holding as stopping the internal dialogue, then it is the mind that has received the idea that it will save itself from itself in this way, begins to crush itself. But in fact, this is done in order to see something completely different. See what gives answers to all questions in general at once. Basically removing all questions.

Silence, in which in the background you can hear the hubbub of football fans and the exclamation of the commentator: “Oh, what a moment!”

But then the mind reacts to it. And each will react differently. Some panic, some joy, some just silence. And reacting in this way, he believes that what is called enlightenment is precisely his reaction to it. And he may not initially notice that it was just a reaction. He considers this reaction to be something “his constant” and then tries to return this reaction, not realizing that this is just a reaction. And when he tries to return this reaction, he no longer agrees with what is happening. And so he gets lost in himself. When he wants to regain a certain state, he fights what is happening, only loading him with it.

G.D.: You are now calling the mind "it". He. But it's not someone, not some kind of living being?

Sameer: Of course not. But I have no choice to say otherwise. Well "it"...

G.D.: And what is this "it", what is this mechanism in general?

Sameer: Here is direct knowledge. But “it”, I don’t know what it is, “it” just is. I know roughly where it comes from and that it feels like a phenomenon of "I".

Pause.

You say "I" and this phenomenon is created. But even without this "I" there is already happening. But when you say 'I', you have to be somebody, and that's how something separate is created. Let's say: "the body is me, and the rest is not me." And so the whole event takes and is torn apart. And then trying to keep a certain "I" creates these frames, which now look like someone who has to do something about what is happening. Faith in it, the ability to think so.

G.D.: But you do feel like this body too, don't you?

Sameer: There is a feeling. I do not feel myself, there is a feeling, a feeling in Consciousness. Like flashes, like thoughts, like everything else. There is no "self". There is just a feeling. And even these feelings you do not create, they just happen now. Consciousness is seething. The whole expression is such a seething. And will continue. And nothing is yours. And there's nothing to hold onto. But everything will happen, and each time it will show how it should be absolutely right at this very moment. Let him show.

G.D.: Good. And who are you?

Pause.

Sameer: Well, the mind has ideas. I can only answer you with my mind. No other way. If we talk about our original nature, then: this is the opportunity for this moment to occur. The possibility itself. From which this whole moment comes. And it changes all the time, then it goes out altogether, then it lights up, lights up again with this feeling of “I”, which “should do something here”, then goes out again. And that's how it floats all the time. Here is the very possibility, the very knowledge of this moment. Well, how else to say? You have to feel it inside, you know it.

G.D.: Is there anything beyond this moment?

Sameer: No.

G.D.: But when you are in a state of deep sleep, there is no feeling of "this moment".

Sameer: There is. There is nothing there. There is nothingness there. Non-existence is part of what is happening. And from this non-existence, in principle, everything sprouts. And if a person needs support, then it is better to rely on this non-existence.

G.D.: But there is no nonexistence. We cannot say that it is, it cannot be, because it is "NON-being".

Sameer: It is not for the one who is now trying to figure it out.

G.D.: OK, well, for some reason, all these questions should be asked now. The interview is...

Sameer: I don't mind. The mind will always ask. You can immediately tell him: you ask, you will ask, but you will never understand anything. This is how it should be left - doomed to never understand anything.

G.D.: Outwardly, you look like a rather restless person. Active. But at the same time you feel like Silence ...

Sameer: Yes, always. I don't really believe in stereotypes. Life is different every time, it always shows how it should be in this moment. And if you crush yourself under some kind of stereotype, then you just create someone who starts to crush himself.

G.D.: Why are you talking about stereotypes?

Sameer: Suppose, when someone sees someone who is experiencing a sense of freedom, he tries not to find a sense of freedom in himself, but to copy his behavior. And this is a useless, meaningless stereotype. Because in this way you will simply create a new you. And the point is to allow no self to be held. Leave what is happening to what is happening.

G.D.: And who does it, who leaves?

Sameer: It makes the mind. He turns on himself. And he is shocked to realize that he is just a mind! "It is me! And this is it!”

G.D.: Who understands?

Sameer: Mind understands. Only the mind always understands. What we call primordial nature has always been there, it's just that the mind didn't know about itself. And now he sees himself, that is, that he is just these processes, and this opportunity to be all this opens up, this Silence itself, where all these processes sound under the guise of “this is me”, “this is how I experience it”, “this is how I do it”, “this is my life”, “this is my world”. As if it really is some kind of separate “you” and a separate “your world” into which “you came”.

G.D.: Can you say that you have a mind?

Sameer: I can say that the mind is another quality of our manifestation. Quality. Little quality. Not the main point that lives somewhere in something, but simply the sounding quality of Consciousness. And there is no way to even choose how it will sound in the next minute. There is only an opportunity to know, to know every minute, as it shows itself, every moment. One and the same seething moment.

Pause.

Sometimes I talk about it through "trusting God." When you trust what is happening as a Father. When you realize that even being able to feel like "I" is an expression of what is happening. And you completely trust him.

G.D.: When you say trust, are you talking to the mind at that moment?

Sameer: Yes. Get lost in this happening. Like this. Well approximately. You can speak differently. The main thing is to feel it at this moment! It's like... (exhales) like a relief, a total collapse of everything. Everything that you held, everything that you thought, hoped to lead to some kind of your own result, it all just collapses. And there remains only the seething of what is happening, the seething of Consciousness.

Please account.

Well, here we are. (Laughs.)

G.D.: So there are no questions that would not give you peace of mind?

Sameer: There is no point in trying to describe with the mind. Therefore, there are no questions. There is always direct knowledge of what is happening. The very possibility of all this being right now. And how, why, how to fit this into the framework of the understandings received ... there is no point in asking. It's just extra weight, unnecessary.

The battery in the voice recorder is dead. The conversation just came to an end exactly at that moment.

Information about Samir's satsangs can be found

And also the former editor-in-chief of the BRAVO teen magazine, which I read about five years ago (and which has become completely impossible to read now). Largely thanks to this magazine, I generally began to engage in journalism and entered the journalism department of Moscow State University. It seems to me that then, in 2003-2004, BRAVO was the most progressive Russian magazine, despite the fact that many did not take it seriously (although, I think, these were people who had never read it). For example, I learned from BRAVO about Miss Kittin, Chicks on speed, The Cure. At the end of 2005, Gleb suddenly left BRAVO and opened the strange site Peremena.ru, which eventually became one of my favorite reading sites.

- Gleb, why did you leave BRAVO so abruptly then?

Well, in short - because I wanted variety in my life. I wanted to deal with some other topics, besides pop music and youth problems ...

And when I was preparing for an interview, I found such information on one forum that you kind of left because of the fans of The Rasmus who got you and got your manual. That there was some kind of scandalous interview with a boy from this group "The Rasmus", in which you lowered him to the fullest.

- (laughs) No, it's nonsense, of course. I remember that interview, but my departure had nothing to do with it directly. Although my some incontinence shown in this interview was, of course, caused by the same thing that caused my departure. That is, I was already somehow tired by that moment of constantly dealing with all these dummies, about which 80 percent of the magazine had to be done. Because, whatever one may say, it was for them that the magazine was bought, and my task as editor-in-chief of BRAVO was to make a magazine that was sold. That's what I was paid for, and not for the fact that we periodically wrote about such non-pop bands as Radiohead, Silence Kit and Nirvana.

- Well, how did you manage to make a salable magazine?

Yes, it sold well. But they bought it mainly for the posters of the Roots group and Harry Potter. (laughs)

Well, for example, I bought it on the contrary, despite the fact that there was a lot of pop music there. For example, Courtney Love on the cover looked very good ...

By the way, this was one of the weakest sales numbers. I allowed myself certain risks, but it was a kind of missionary activity. After all, someone had to write about this music for teenagers ... And in general, someone had to speak with young people in a competent human language on some cultural and countercultural topics ... Well, we talked. And about Civil Defense, and about decadence, and about modern literature. Then after all, in other magazines addressed to this audience, they did not write at all in human language on human topics.

- Oh yes, Cool was a terrible edition!

We can say that we fought against all this vulgarity, which was then imposed on media readers at all levels. Starting from the linguistic level… And in a sense, they won, in the end, which, for example, is now evidenced by the Look at me website. After all, there was nothing like it then. And all the time it seemed to me that despite all our efforts, no fundamental shift in the minds of readers is happening. We still received thousands of letters asking us to publish a poster of Natalia Oreiro and the like. That is, out of a hundred thousand people who bought BRAVO magazine weekly, 500 people, maybe 1000, really understood its message. And these are incomparable numbers. So we had to do all sorts of tricks and dodges in order to make the magazine sellable and at the same time maintain the quality bar that we set initially. As a result, I began to feel that I was doing some kind of Sisyphean labor, and I, in the end, got tired of it. So I left.

- That is, Changes is not a very visited site?

It depends on what you compare it to. This project is completely non-opportunistic. In the sense that 95 percent of the texts and photographs published by us are in no way connected with any news occasions and superficially relevant topics. And such an approach, by definition, cannot bring popularity and very high attendance. At least in our time. In general, Changes is a web magazine that deals directly with eternity, and not with momentary commercially oriented everyday life. In this sense, we inherit the literary journals of the 19th century. The so-called "thick" magazines. And, if you plunge into the history of this issue, Pushkin, for example, was all in debt due to low sales of his Sovremennik magazine ... In addition, you need to understand that I did this project primarily for myself and almost without financial investments . And with this approach, it is now impossible to do anything popular ...

Gleb Davydov at Lake Baikal in spring 2008

I just now thought, returning to BRAVO, that this problem, which you said about - that you had to write about dummies, because the masses of readers only perceived them - this is a very strange problem. Why does the mass audience love empty shells and often do not understand some really worthwhile things?

Now you said the word "mass". It's a physical term. There is, for example, gravitational mass, there is inertial mass. And both of these quantities, one might say, determine what is called the "norm". The other day, physicist Oleg Dobrocheev (also, by the way, a regular author of Changes) told me that a person who has spent a long time in space loses his earthly mind and ceases to think normally, that is, ceases to be like everyone else. And this happens not least because of the lack of gravity. That is, this whole problem is clearly within the material, earthly framework of physics, and there is no metaphysics in it, nothing so unusual and strange. This state of affairs is determined by the fact that we are all, to one degree or another, physical beings and live in the material world. This is fine.

- Well, this is some kind of scientific topic ...

Yes, in general, I have now become interested in scientific journalism, I am actively cooperating in this direction with the Private Correspondent project.

- What about Changes?

And the Changes continue, I think that in connection with this new hobby of mine, this project will enter a new round of its development.

Tell me, what do you think about the fact that now more and more ordinary, paper magazines are closed and journalism is gradually moving online? You were, after all, one of the first journalists who abandoned the paper edition for the sake of an Internet project?

I think that offline journalism doesn't last long at all. It is obvious. It will remain only in the form of, perhaps, two or three newspapers and two or three expensive high-profile glossy magazines. Well, maybe a little more of them will be, but this does not change things. All this is a natural technological process - firstly, they will invent convenient devices for reading magazines and newspapers from the monitor (all these book readers, they are improving infinitely quickly), and secondly, this will also happen for economic reasons. It is much more profitable to publish a magazine or newspaper on the Internet than on paper. After all, a whole bunch of all sorts of problems are associated with paper media: in addition to paper, it is also paint and other printing costs, distribution (especially in Russia this is a problem area), the lack of the necessary efficiency, in the end (which is why paper publications are almost non-existent now). able to compete with the internet. Well, and so on.

But what about aesthetic pleasure? Hold a paper magazine in your hands, feel its heaviness, the smell of printing ink.

All this will remain, but will become a kind of luxury. As I said: two or three expensive glosses. Well, or five or six ... The same thing will happen, by the way, with books. The book will become even more of a luxury item than the magazine...

Gleb Davydov on the cover of the Belgian magazine The Bulletin (the Antwerp analogue of Afisha).

- And how fast do you think it will happen?

I don't think we will notice. This transition will be so gradual. It's like with vinyl records. After all, they gave way to cassettes smoothly and painlessly. Then CDs came along and cassettes were completely removed in just ten years. Now is the time for flash drives, iPods and other disk drives. I think that we will all understand and sharply realize that the transition has finally taken place, in 15-20 years. And even less.

Yes, it sounds plausible. But it's hard to believe. After all, there were all these conversations when television appeared, that now the radio will disappear. And nothing. Radio quietly lives and thrives.

These are somewhat different things. Radio and TV are just different types of media. And now we are talking about another difference: the difference between information carriers. After all, the Internet in this case is not some radically new and different media. This is just an information environment, that is, roughly speaking, paper and the Internet are just different media. Within this environment, radio and TV will develop, as well as a wide variety of magazines and newspapers, on a wide variety of subjects and for a wide variety of audiences. And now it's all happening. Because online is a more flexible, faster and more convenient environment. It remains only to solve some technical problems such as the inconvenience of reading large texts from the monitor ... And all this is being solved before our eyes ...